Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Science, Technology, the Arts and Nation Building in Nigeria : Part 3

In my secondary school days, the science students were seen as the brighter students. Interestingly, though, Nigeria is better known through her artists than through her scientists.


Dominic Ogbonna sums up what is a  realistic assessment, validated by history,  of the role of  the study and practice of the arts, the social sciences and the sciences in creating civilisation, particularly the beacons represented by Western civilisations :

"...a successful and civilized  nation is NOT just any one thing only [It] is also a nation that respects the freedom of the individual, and the freedom of the press, and the freedom of association, and property rights.  It is a nation with Jurisprudence, and universal suffrage, and all kinds of other ideological and sociological intangibles that are clearly NOT reducible to Abba's "science and technology". Some  of these non-scientific aspects of civilization are just as critical to civilization, and to the quality of human society, as the things that come from science and technology...  [ Their ]  very presence... makes science possible in the first place."

I  present a similar perspective but with precise historical references across a range of disciplines as evident in Nigerian and Western history.

The Arts and Cultural and Economic Development

            The Cultural and Economic Colossus that is  the  Western Arts

 The  arts play a central role in building the contemporary dominance of Western civilisation, as well as its leadership in creating the template that forms the basis of contemporary global science. The role of the narrative arts- the story telling Abba looks down on-  and other  arts, is evident in the contemporary global  dominance of Western culture which permeates all corners of the globe, projecting the self perception of the West through its imaginative and social values, as well as earning the US a huge amount of money through foreign screenings  and purchases of its films, which, along with its music,  are still the global standard. 

Are there any films or musicians who cross national boundaries the way these art forms from the US permeate the globe?

Michael Jackson died the other day and the whole world changed beceause he was no longer in it. From Asia to Africa and Europe, people were openly changed by his passing. Whitney  Houston died recently and the world took note.

Which artiste, anywhere else, has passed away and the whole world took note? One will have to look much further back to a personality like Bob Marley and his kind is rare outside the US.

A lady from Saudi Arabia told me a few years ago that they suffer there from Western cultural dominance, in which the West is perceived as the culture of preference. 

Can anyone point to any non-US film of the last 20 years that has a global presence? Yet US films are routinely global presences. Can you imagine the sheer economic power this pervasive penetration of the world through the arts  means, plus the sheer cultural heft it gives the US as flag bearer of the West? Can you imagine the sheer economic power they are raking in from all over the world, concentrating it in their corner of North America?

        The Domestic and Global Achievement of the Story Telling of  Nigeria's Nollywood 

In the whole of Nigerian history, the one collective achievement of a body of Nigerians that has registered on the global stage is the story telling of Nollywood. As far as I know, Nollywood is the first original and still the only achievement of Nigerians as a group on the global stage. Is there any other creative activity, from the arts to the sciences, in which Nigerians have excelled as a group and has achieved such economic force in the history of this country? 

The US has Hollywood and their technology companies Microsoft , Google and Yahoo as their most prominent global brands. Nigeria has Nollywood. I cannot identify any other collective Nigerian achievement of global renown and perhaps such domestic and global economic  force, equal to the achievement of Nollywood. Nollywood is basically the story telling Abba describes as not being central to national development. Nollywood story telling  is described as the  second largest film industry in the world, in terms of annual number of films produced, ahead of Hollywood and behind India, with a distinctive character of its own.

 I discount the Nigerian oil industry because I cannot see the creativity in that industry in Nigeria. 

Economic and social development is demonstrated, among other values, by being able to create jobs that enrich the populace and project its image positively. Nollywood could have contributed to those achievements  more than any other Nigerian industry in the last  20 or more years.

The Cultural Framework of Western Civilisation

Some contributors on this thread are mistakenly conflating  Asian social, technological  and scientific development with the kind of total cultural construction represented by Western civilisation.   Ogbonna provides an  insightful listing of the ideas that form the bulwark of US political and economic existence:

1. The Democratic System of Government
2. The Rule Of Law
3. The Bill of Rights
4. The Separation Of Powers
5. The Separation of the Church and the State
6. The Abolition of slavery

Abba responds that "What you listed are government policies/interventions...and not ``arts".  What you listed are interventions that create a conducive atmosphere for science and technology to flourish (you forgot to mention many other measures taken to encourage, promote and reward excellence; the US built a culture of meritocracy and competence; a culture that recognizes and salute these).

But all these ain't ``arts"...or are they? "

These "government policies/interventions", however, were enabled by the work of the arts, political and economic philosophy, political activism, political oratory  and religious vision, among other domains of the arts, expressing  ideals people fought and died for across centuries stretching from ancient Greece to the present and enshrined in canonical writings ranging from the philosophies of Plato to Adam Smith, to Martin Luther and Thomas Paine, to name a few, and which have been central to ideas about the role of knowledge in human life, which, in relation to determined  social struggles, created an environment where science and technology have thrived. 

                Faith, Religion and Reason

Interestingly, the people who determine the environment that enables science and technology to thrive   are less  scientists  than they are politicians and others directly involved in  public life. If not for the desperate struggles of Martin Luther and his supporters at the Protestant Reformation, the stranglehold of the Church on scholarship is less likely to have been broken, enabling the Church to continue to dictate the boundaries of scholarship, as it  tried to in harassing Galileo Galilei  for insisting that the earth  revolves round the sun. 

There is a lot of merit to the argument  that the continuing strength of Islam as a political force is central to the fall of scholarship in Islamic civilisation from its previous stellar  height to its present lacklustre position in the world of learning, in which subservience  to faith has triumphed  over rationality or even a balanced relationship between rationality and other forms of knowledge, such as faith. A  decisive  point in  this defeat is described as the debate  between Al Ghazzali , Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd, represented by Al Ghazzali's The Incoherence of the Philosophers and Ibn Rushd's  reply The Incoherence of the Incoherence (link to free PDF copy) , a debate between the faith  centred position of Al Ghazzali  and the more rationalistic position of Ibn Rushd, though he is described as trying to integrate faith and reason, keeping in mind that  this rough summary may be  best understood as a  simplification of these sophisticated issues. According to this view, Islamic scholarship and civilisation have  not recovered from this dominance of religion. 

Europe, on the other hand, integrated with its Christian culture the rationalistic dimension of the Greek heritage transmitted to it by the Arabs and eventually subsumed the rational within the religious  so thoroughly that  they feed each other while reason is allowed to hold  a prominent dominant  place, an  outcome of which is the spectacular success of science. Landmarks in this journey range from  the works of Thomas Aquinas on the harmony of faith and reason, built on Aristotelian philosophy, the work of the great Renaissance scientists,  artists and architects Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo  Buonarroti,  to the works that helped to foment the revolutions in Europe and the US, such as the works of Thomas Paine and those that fired the visions of the builders of modern Europe and the US founding fathers, of whom Paine was one. 

        Thomas Paine,  Political Thought and Practice and the Culture of Learning

The history of Western democratic, revolutionary and capitalist thought is profoundly affected by Paine's books and activities, such as Common Sense , the central book that gains Paine the title of The Father of the American Revolution, his book  The Rights of Man in defence of the French Revolution, arguing for citizen's  rights as source of state authority and the Age of Reason, one of the most influential advocates of a rational critique of religion and religious institutions, a mindset that is the bulwark of modern Western secular society, a secularism of which science is a central beneficiary and central standard bearer. 

           Capitalism, Democracy and Scientific and Technological Progress

There exists an intimate relationship  between capitalism, democracy and the scientific and technological  leadership of the West. Democratic systems encourage freedom of thought and speech, and scope of research and application.  Capitalism enables the accumulation of funds to invest in research and development  as well as the reaping  of financial  investments from science  and technology which are ploughed  back to create  more developments in those fields. Without a robust capitalist  environment, would we have had the Industrial Revolution and certainly  not the Information Revolution, a prominent aspect of which   runs on the economic lifelines provided by venture capitalists with money  to innovators  without money. Bill Gates, the founders of Yahoo and Google, along with Zuckerberg and Facebook all started as students without money,  money which investors provided. This match between innovative  talent and wealth is central to the success of the global technology hub that is Silicon Valley.

How did the West develop such a robust capitalist system? Through a combination of the work of business people, politicians and the sheer historical convergence of various unanticipated factors, including religion, the latter  suggested by the debate around Marx Weber's thesis in The Protestant Ethic and the Rise of Capitalism. 

Cultural Foundations of Western Science and Technology

          Magic, the Occult and Science 

The arts have played a fundamental role in the development of Western science. Central to this is the contribution of religious, occult  and philosophical cosmology to scientific cosmology. Tian Yu Cao in Conceptual Developments of Twentieth Century Field Theories, argues that the modern scientific understanding of nature as constituted by laws that can be understood and even worked with by the trained expert, the scientist, was a development from Western magic, itself derived centrally from the Hermetic tradition, the roots of which are described as being  in Egypt. Cao makes this point beceause Western magic introduced to the Western intelligentsia the idea of the cosmos as not only a unified structure,   an idea already familiar to them from the Greeks   and the Arabs, but the Hermetic idea that this cosmos was organised in terms of laws that could be discovered, understood through study and cooperated with to produce results. 

A book that demonstrates this occult culture in its combination of imagination and rationality, learning and experimentation, integrating broad scholarship with spiritual activity in which the magician  trains themselves to  understand natural law and work with it, but in a manner different from the instruments of modern science, is Israel Regardie's The Tree of Life : A Study in Magic( link to free PDF copy),   which is based on the sweep of the Western magical tradition, from its Egyptian appropriations, to its blend of neo-Platonism and magic, down through the Middle Ages to the present. A historical text that demonstrates how the mentality represented by ideas and practices like those described by Regardie shaped the minds of scientists in the formative period of modern science in 17th to 18th century Europe  and how it was transmitted in a modified form into modern science is Frances Yates, The Rosicrucian Enlightenment (link to free PDF copy). More modern works take off from Yates' pioneering efforts. The relevant information is plentiful online. 

Taking inspiration from this early cosmology of human understanding and management of cosmic law, some of the most influential of the earlier Western scientists were magicians and occultists, these disciplines being central to how they saw the universe, inspiring them in their quest for knowledge and providing the ideational template which they transposed  into what is now known as modern science. Some of the most influential   modern scientists  develop along similar lines, but more in terms of philosophical and religious ideas. Useful guides in the relationships between religion, science and philosophy, particularly in exploring their roles in contemporary  scientific discoveries are the works of Paul Davies, such as The Mind of God : Science and the Search for Ultimate Meaning

           Isaac Newton, Johannes Kepler, Occultism and Mathematical Cosmology 

Central to the influence of the occult and religion on science is Isaac Newton, whose work in the Western esoteric school -dealing with hidden skills and knowledge not available through conventional  education- of Hermeticism along with his deep study of the Bible and theology shaped decisively his mind and his scientific discoveries. A central tenent of Hermeticism is the maxim of Hermes Trismegistus , after whom the school is named 'As Above, So Below'. Within that context, the cosmos is understood as organised in terms of the correspondence of order at various levels of existence, from the more abstract levels to the material plane.  This world view may be correlated with that of modern scientific cosmology, which understands the cosmos as organised in terms of laws  that unify its totality. 

Central to the quest to understand cosmic unity is the study of unifying laws and Newton's work in gravitational law and the laws of motion is central to that. Central to Newton's work in gravitation and laws of motion is the concept of force, which I would describe as a layperson as the impulse acting upon bodies.  The concept  of force is central to Newton's  development of gravitational theory in terms of  invisible forces acting upon each other at a distance, an idea, which,  according to Richard Westfall  in his Encyclopaedia Britannica 1992 essay on Newton, the great scientist adapted from the occult idea of invisible forces that act upon forms across space and perhaps unify the cosmos. 

Westfall describes Newton's achievement as bringing to a consummation the vision of the great Greek mathematician and philosopher Pythagoras who understood the cosmos as organised in terms of mathematical form and whose mathematical work was related to an effort to understand that cosmic order.  Like Pythagoras, Newton was fired by the vision of grasping cosmic order through both intellectual and supra-intellectual methods, as testified to by his magnum opus Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy, which rounds off with Newton's celebration of his understanding of cosmic law as a demonstration of divine order as expressed through the creation and transcendence of time and space by God. 

In the Beginning, God Geometrised" so declares an expression from an idea attributed to the Greek philosopher Plato and described as adapted by the great mathematician Friedrich Gauss stating 'God arithmeticises', thereby carrying forward the Pythagorean and Platonic vision which has become central to modern science, even though the divine justification for cosmic order in terms revealed by mathematical form is no longer canonical in science. This mathematico-cosmic vision,  as it were, has shaped Western science across the centuries, as represented, for example,  by the great astronomer Johannes Kepler, who understood the orbits of the planets as organised in terms of geometric solids as well as practising successfully the occult discipline of astrology, which is based on mathematical calculations of relationship between the celestial bodies and events in human life. 

  Frances Yates in Giodarno Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition describes  the difference between Kepler's occult and scientific work, and if I would add, that of Newton and other occult and philosopher scientists, as the ability to allow various realms of knowledge to feed each other while distinguishing   between them. Kepler and Newton were  inspired by philosophy, occultism and religion but they understood that to  demonstrate conclusively their  ideas in scientific cosmology, they needed a form of   logic, that, unlike the logic of philosophy and the occult, has to be accessible to verification by other scholars who might have little or no interest in their  occult and philosophical inspiration, those not being in the realm of science, science as it was emerging in the 17th century scientific revolution in which these men played a central role. Yates develops these ideas further in The Rosicrucian Enlightenment

Also prominent in this emergent scientific culture was John Dee, prominent mathematician and dedicated and ambitious occultist. 

Newton describes most forcefully and poignantly his sensitivity to this correlative symbiosis and difference between various realms of knowledge in concluding his Principia with a description of his religious vision as encapsulating his scientific cosmology and describing his further vision of unity in the physical world, in which a force shapes the motion of all forms within the physical world and the human body, from electricity to blood, but concluding that there is no sufficiency  of experiments to prove this expanded vision of his, thereby  leaving that vision outside the domain of scientific proof. 

                   Alchemy 

One of the most spectacular examples of the transformation of occult theory and practice into science is the discipline of alchemy. It involved a complex of theoretical ideas and practical techniques involving material instruments. My understanding so far of this very secretive and arcane field is that it might have been a system for developing a  transformation of the human self in relation to the transformation of material substances, with this transformative process symbolised by and related with the transformation of material  forms from one state to another, centred in the idea of transforming other metals to gold and making one immortal,  through the creation or discovery of the Philosopher's Stone.

The alchemists are described as central to  laying the foundations of the relationship between scientific theory and experiment that is the defining mark of modern science. They developed elaborate laboratories and instruments for experimentation, testing their theoretical formulations, and encoding their ideas in symbols that the uninitiated would not understand, even though presented in books that were at times publicly available and written in European languages, a technique of encoding, of hiding information in plain view in a manner related to the highly specialised terminology of modern science. 

The culture of experimenting on the material  world using specialised laboratory instruments, and  correlating such experimentation with theory, passed into modern science, but the ideas of transforming the self were left behind. I would not argue for a direct influence from alchemy to nuclear science and  the Hadron Collider, but one may deduce in such efforts the persistence of the idea that material forms can be transformed from one state to another through human effort. A modern interpretation of the alchemical theory of transformation between elements  is evident  in the exploits of the alchemist Nicholas Flamel in Michael Scott's fantasy novel series The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel

Perhaps the most successful  transformer of the occult world of alchemy to science while working actively in both worlds was Isaac Newton, whose work in alchemy and religion is described as more voluminous than his better known work in physics and mathematics.  Alchemy provided for Newton a cosmology and an experimental framework which he mined diligently, adapting to his scientific discoveries, and like many  occultists, he hid the occult roots of a number of his most important scientific  ideas  so that,   along with the influence of the disdain people later had for alchemy, for centuries people were baffled as to why such a great mind should devote so much effort to what they saw as a pseudo-scientific pursuit like alchemy or why the father of modern science should be so committed to research on religion. 

Modern Newton scholarship demonstrates how these interests feed each other in his works, studying his extensive original documents  in various libraries  and posted online at such sites as The Chymistry of Isaac Newton and The Newton Project. His writings on religion and philosophy are  published online and in print as in the Newton Manuscript Project on his theological work. 

Books that are very successful at  showing how  these interests are woven together in Newton's life are Richard Westfall's,  Never at Rest : A Biography of Isaac Newton  abridged in The Life of Isaac Newton, distilled in his Encyclopaedia Britannica 1992 essay on Newton and in his Britannica online essay, and the compact but very rich and meticulous  Newton : A Very Short Introduction by Rob Lliffe. 

                20th Century  Science, Philosophy and Religion

It is very useful in  understanding  the  implications of the two great discoveries of 20th century science, Special and General Relativity and  quantum theory, to  understanding the role of philosophical ideas and ideas related to religion in forming the scientific explorations of scientists like Albert EinsteinErwin Schrodinger, Niels Bohr, Srinivassa Ramanujan, Henri Poincare, as well the scientists’ interpretations of the philosophical implications of their work, as in Weiner Heisenberg's Physics and Philosophy : The Revolution in Modern Science  ( link to free PDF copy). 

              Georg Cantor,  Kurt Godel and Philosophies  of Mathematics

Science, religion,  philosophy,  the occult and esotericism  are best understood as symbiotic because of the mutual fertilisation of these disciplines as well as the light they throw on each other even when they don't affect each other directly in the work of practitioners of these disciplines. Rene Descartes made foundational achievements in philosophy and science through his philosophical program of developing authoritative methods of knowledge, ranging from introspective self enquiry to mathematics. The great mathematicians Georg Cantor and Kurt Godel are described as understanding mathematics as existing in a  world independent of the human mind, a world into which mathematicians  penetrate to perceive these forms and make them accessible to their fellow humans, an idea manifest in Platonism, one of the earliest ways it was introduced to Western thought, but also existing in various cosmologies, from Yoruba Orisa cosmology, in the odu ifa, mathematical forms described as spirits  representing the identity of all possibilities of existence, abstract and concrete, actual and potential, to Hindu yantras, geometric forms understood as the embodiment of deities, the permutations of which demonstrate the structure  and development of the cosmos. 

         Scientific, Religious and Philosophical Cosmologies  and the  Creation of the Universe from 'Nothing'. 

Tian Yu Cao in  'Ontology and Scientific Explanation' in Explanations: Styles of Explanations in Science   describes eloquently the idea of the universe as emerging from nothing, an idea developed in quantum theory to explain the ultimate origins of the universe beyond the generally accepted scientific  theory that the universe came into existence through an explosion known as the big bang. What existed before the big bang? Cao argues that  a very good answer is ' nothing'. This 'nothing' he describes as a self created and self sustaining mode of being, having no connection with any forms in the observable universe, and therefore not susceptible to the question  "what came before what you describe as causing the universe, whether the matter that led to  the big bang or a quantum space?"

Is this idea of  "nothing" as the source of the universe not familiar from non-scientific sources? From the Biblical,  " In the beginning, the world was without form and void"  to the Buddhist idea of sunyata, Emptiness, the Void, to the Jewish and Hermetic  Kabbalistic notion of Ain Soph, No-thingness, the Unmanifest, the idea of 'nothing',  self created and self sustaining, has been central to religious  and philosophical cosmology. It is also deployed most powerfully in Soyinka's Credo of Being and Nothingness and The Man Died

  Literature, Recreation and Inspiration 

While developing scientific and technological innovation, whether influenced by philosophy, religion or the occult or not,  how does one relax? How does one rest the mind and body? Can body and mind remain healthy without rest, without play? May the arts not play a central role in the rejuvenation of mind and body? May the arts not be central vehicles for those very religious, philosophical and occult ideas through which people find meaning in life? Is it adequate to enjoy the wonders of science and technology without a sense of the meaning of life beyond such physical conveniences? 

Is it not relevant to learn how others have managed challenges like being deprived of their freedom in the name of a cause they understood as just? The struggle for justice is sustained by the awareness that one can survive persecution. Such awareness may be gained through learning about others' efforts in that direction, the 'fellow voyagers' as described in Soyinka's prison poem ' O, Roots'. Rather than succumb to the soul destroying culture of conformity represented by the corruption that has made the development of a scientific and technological culture in Nigeria difficult  on account of inadequate funding, one could subsist on inner wealth instead of  enriching oneself by guzzling public funds, inner wealth as demonstrated by Soyinka's meditations in solitary  confinement in prison during the Nigerian Civil War in which he drew inspiration from the most basic elements of his prison environment, lizards, flying birds, the falling feather of a bird, men being led to be hanged, the walls of his prison cell, the garden  constructed by his fellow inmates and destroyed by the warders, , rain, keyholes, etc etc,  as portrayed eloquently in The Man Died his prison autobiography and  A Shuttle in  the Crypt, his poems written in prison.

Wole Soyinka's Global Stature 

Is there any other Nigerian figure of  Soyinka's global stature?

As for the following  comment from Abba: "Besides, there are many others in Africa who are probably as, or even more, deserving of the literature prize (Achebe is surely one)."

I would like to know about such writers since I want to learn more about African writing and keeping in mind that the prize is politicised  being largely Western centred.

In terms of sheer ideational power, imaginative inventiveness and linguistic force, Soyinka has earned a unique place in world literature. Soyinka has  one work of ultimate sublimity  in poetry, A Shuttle in the Crypt; an incomparable essay collection, Myth, Literature and the African World( I refer here to the three essays "The Ritual Archetype", "Drama and the African World View" and "The Fourth Stage", excluding the other two on the history of African literature. Soyinka has many other essays but from my reading of them, even if they are up to 100 they might not be equal those three in the  immortal power of  their ability to speak to the perennial and deepest challenges of the human condition) a bombshell of an autobiography, The Man Died ( I have not read his three or four other autobiographies) ; a most memorable dramatic work, Death and the Kings Horseman ( I have not read some  of his plays, described as his best known works, The Road seems particularly well regarded). 

A  Nigerian writer known to me  who comes close to   Soyinka is Christopher  Okigbo, although he published  only a slim body of poems, Labyrinths, but the book's  power is like  the power contained in the atomic nucleus that can trigger an atomic bomb. Sadly, Okigbo's greater promise was not fulfilled since he died fighting in the Biafran side in the Nigerian Civil War, his body lost as he covered his men retreating from a federal advance. 

Soyinka's three essays I mentioned from Myth, Literature and the African World and The Man Died will stand till the end of time as monuments in the landscape of human achievement, as  signposts on the journey of human progress  across the ages. As long as the human mind remains what it is, as long as it is not fundamentally  restructured to a higher cognitive level, creating a different form of humanity than is evident today, I expect  these works will remain  be among those of which Hans Georg Gadamer in Truth andMethod declares can never be superseded, like ideas and achievements in science and technology can be superseded by  later developments in those fields. 

Even explorers from other worlds who are able to understand human cognition and appreciate human values are likely to revere such works as demonstrations of what the German poet Rainer Marie Rilke described as his task as a poet but which may be extended to a task on behalf of all beings in existence, on earth and beyond earth-to justify one's existence by transforming the visible world into visible art.

Soyinka on the Link Between Boko Haram and Prominent Political and Social Orientations of Northern Nigeria 

Soyinka  makes the following points on Boko Haram: 

1.Boko Haram is a manifestation of religious mania in Northern Nigeria that has gone out of control. Whatever one might  think of a direct relationship between Northern religious extremism and Boko Haram, history abounds in examples of a culture  of religious extremism in Northern Nigeria, often leading to mob actions resulting in the murder of Southerners and Christians in the North, these mob actions at times being inspired by perceived slights against  Islam originating from outside Nigeria, without any provocation from  Christians.

Such periodic murderous mob actions are the sporadic but recurrent  manifestation of a culture of extremism expressed most forcefully in Northern religious extremist groups, from the earlier examples to the more recent Maitasine and Boko Haram.

2. Northern Nigeria is prone to such murderous  mob actions and organised religious fanaticism partly because it runs an educational systen that provides ready foot soldiers  for such campaigns, these being the alamjiris, products of a system described by Zainab Usman  as based on the idea of the migrant scholars travelling in search of knowledge  but, as described by Gillian Parker  seemingly often abused  to become a collection of poor young people who are available for manipulation, and being poor and often disenfranchised by poverty and limited education  from full participation in society, are prone to flare up against perceived  enemies.

3. That Boko Haram is the tool of disgruntled  Northern politicians who are aggrieved at their loss of power. Soyinka has not proven this point conclusively  but he sums up deductions that may be made between the threats of violence by Northern politicians like Atiku on the failure of the North to secure the Presidency as expected  on the PDP platform and the eventual  escalation of Boko Haram terrorism on the swearing in  of Jonathan's government, along with the politically sharpened  thrust of Boko Haram's pronouncements  as the group openly seeks to achieve its declared goal of bringing down the government.

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OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 19 (2 days ago)
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Thank you very much, Igietsime, for focusing on the essence of this matter.

Boko Haram  violence is described as beginning by being directed at fellow Muslims who did not share their narrow views on Islam.

Boko Haram came to the attention of the government on account of such intra-Muslim violence, not because  Boko Haram began by attacking govt agents.

Boko Haram  is openly associated with a drive to create a society modeled on strict Sharia and has not denied that association.

Boko Haram describes its goal as that of supplanting the current Nigerian government particularly in Northern Nigeria, and to a lesser extent, in Nigeria as a whole, with an Islamic government.

Boko Haram  has pursued these goals by trying to create a unified Northern identity by demanding that all Christians and non-Northerners should leave the North, and Muslims and Northerners migrate from the South to the North. They set a deadline, after which they began killing Christians and Southerners in pursuit of their goal.

Boko Haram did state that their goal was to avenge the killing of their leader but they have gone far beyond that initial mandate by waging an all out war within Northern Nigeria, killing  large numbers of people.

What are their clearly stated objectives?

To use violence and terror in

1. Enforcing  strict Sharia in Northern  Nigeria

2. To create a homogenous Islamic identity in Northern Nigeria, eliminating Southerners and non-Muslims

3. To create an educational system that is totally Islamic. Islamic civilization may have given the world central components  of Western education, but that does not make  Islamic civilization and Islamic education identical with Western civilization  and Western education.

This culture of groundbreaking scholarship has declined in Islamic civilizations, a situation described by some scholars as due to the resurgence and eventual dominance of dogmatic Islam. Meanwhile, the West has integrated its Islamic, Arab and Persian  heritage into a secular framework that eliminates religious dogma. Anybody who wants to catch up in the world of knowledge has to eliminate religious dogma. Muslim societies  have not been able to do that and are still overly influenced and in some cases, dominated by an uncritical relationship with Islamic icons such as the Koran and the Prophet Muhammed. These icons are often contradictory to critical knowledge and need to be put in their place if knowledge is to truly grow.

True, Muhammad is reputed as declaring ' Seek knowledge, even as far as China'. But to do that truly will imply seeking knowledge even in challenging the Koran and Muhammad. It will involve questions like challenging the validity of claims about the existence of Allah and the authority of Muhammad. Modern Western education is directly based on the overturning of Christian authority in the world of knowledge. Islamic societies have not reached that point.

So, Western education is a totally different ball game from Islamic education. The West has traveled much farther in pursuit of the foundations of knowledge  and Islamic fundamentalists and extremists of  various shades, such as Islamic terrorists like Boko Haram or the feudal, Islamic fundamentalist govt of Saudi  Arabia know that the essence of Western education is destructive to religious dogma, which is the essence of their power,  and will do everything to fight it, like Saudi  Arabia banning books and other acts of legitimized incarceration of its entire populace  to  open terrorists  like  Boko Haram burning schools.

Boko Haram is described as beginning in an Islamic educational system set up by their leader, which expanded to become a radical and violent group.

Part of the Sword of Damocles, the delayed reckoning,  represented by  Boko Haram is that prominent Northern figures, including online activists  like Aliyu Tilde and Abba are refusing to address the core of  Boko Haram  terrorism  in Islamic fundamentalism and instead focu on the after effects of the crises, such as  the inadequacies of the Nigerian government in dealing with  Boko Haram.

The inadequacy of this approach is demonstrated y the fact that Northern Nigeria has been prone for decades to waves of religious and ethnic centred violence. Islamic terrorist groups like Maitasine and Boko Haram sprout there  from time to time by beginning with   terrorizing other Muslims before the govt engages with  them as was done more successfully with Maitasine.

The central problem, therefore, is Islamic fundamentalism.

Added to this is a political dimension I am yet to read Northern  critics respond to.

Are we to dismiss the threats of Atiku and other Northern politicians threatening violence beceause a Northerner was not made President  and after which BH violence escalated and outright politicization of its activities became more stark?

Can we honestly avoid reading in   the increased politicisation of  Boko Haram a maneuver directed at 2015 and the implied threat that failing to accede to the demands of Northern politicians  is equivalent to courting violence  in Nigeria?

These issues of 

Islamic fundamentalism

and

political implications of Boko Haram  in relation to the stated ambitions of some Northern politicians

and the role of these two in the relationship between Northern and Southern  Nigeria  are at the heart of the BH challenge.

Yes.  Boko Haram is condemned by many in Northern  Nigeria.

But prominent Northern figures insist that they have legitimate  grievances and try to equate them with MEND. . Sanusi insists that they are the result  of poverty emerging from skewed resource  allocation. Northern  govs and other Northern figures reinforced that view by shortly after that Sanusi declaration   fighting for more money for the North.

Boko Haram thus becomes a crusader for Northern interests.

I  would like to see  a  figure from the North examining the relationship of these crises of terrorist Islam to the nature of Islam and ways of interpreting Islam as well as the tendency  for religions like Islam and Christianity to breed fanatics and fundamentalists,  at times murderous fanatics.  The Christian fundamentalists are more tame now   but the Islamic extremists  are still going strong.

This culture of violent  Islamic extremism is represented in contemporary times by

Maitasine once in Nigeria

Boko Haram now in Nigeria

All Shabbab in Somalia

Al Qaeda globally

The Taliban in Afghanistan waging war against everything that did not fit their narrow view of Islam

Muslims killing people who they think have insulted Islam

The man who killed Van Gogh in the Netherlands for his film on Islam

Murderous Muslim riots in Northern Nigeria because of  the Danish anti-Muhammad cartoons, murderous Muslim riots in Northern Nigeria because of a  beauty pageant,   among other examples of the  culture of anti-Southern and anti-Muslim pogrom culture of Northern Nigeria

The death sentence of the Iranian Ayatollah against Salaman Rushdie for his book The Satanic Verses based on a true story in which Muhammed discredited some Koranic verses beceause he later believed they came from the Devil (See 'Satanic Verses' in Muhammed at Medina by Montgomery Watt and Google).  Rushdie's book plays with the idea-who knows the source of the other verses, are they any more credible than the 'Satanic ones'? in the context of an  imaginative exploration of Muhammed's  alleged  prophetic inspiration.

The most prominent face of global Islam is irrational violence.

From the Nigerian  pants bomber Mutallab to the 9/11 terrorists.

 They all rationalize their resort to violence.

Boko Haram speaks of avenging their leader and other Muslims, thereby justifying massive massacres in a campaign of terror  that avenges their leader  many times over while working towards  inane social  goals, like their brand of Sharia and threatening to  destroy the Nigerian state and remake it in their own image

Al Qaeda will mention fighting against Western imperialism and thereby massacring large numbers of innocent people.

Individuals who kill in the name of Islam will focus on avenging the honour of their religion.

The bottom line is

while others try to address their differences through various means, the most prominent face of Islam is the resort to murderous violence.

Meanwhile some like Abba are focusing on inadequacies of Nigerian govt in relation to BH.

That has some significance but to exaggerate it, as Abba and other covert BH Haram apologists like Aliyu Tilde do   is like pursuing a rat while the house is burning

What house?-

specifically Northern Nigeria and the corporate  integrity of Islam.

thanks

toyin


2. Abba abba2007@gmail.com via yahoogroups.com 






Mar 19 (2 days ago)
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Toyin:
 
I would appreciate if you leave me out of your online discourse from now on...I do not interact with those whose sense of ethics are not beyond reproach (ie those who misrepresent others and circulate those misrepresentations beyond the original lists such discussions were conducted within).  You may mean well, but I do not interact with people who do what you do. 
 
 
Abba
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OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 20 (1 day ago)
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I POSTED THE LAST SECTION BELOW THE CONCLUSION  BY MISTAKE SO IT WAS NOT EDITED. I HAVE EDITED IT IN THIS VERSION



Abba,

You are confused.

You declared earlier that you want to influence Nigerian government policy by debating on Internet fora and you are now complaining  that you are misrepresented on fora where you cannot defend yourself.

Is that not a contradiction?

By your own declaration, you are not in govt.

If your views travel to the corridors of govt as you stated you aspire to, will you be there to defend those views, particularly if they  are not presented in ways that make you comfortable?

Can you guarantee that your views will be seen in  exactly the ways that will make you happy?

In debating with you, I began by

 QUOTING  YOU ACCURATELY, VERBATIM, WORD FOR WORD,

 before proceeding to

ANALYSE YOUR WORDS, LINE BY LINE.
A person who wants his ideas to travel beyond the limited space they are expressed should be honoured by that level of attention.

Since you wanted your ideas to travel far and wide, even to the attention of the govt, what better way to achieve that goal  than through a critic who distributes them them far and wide?

I have done you a favour.

You ought to thank me for giving you such exposure in the first place. Seriously speaking.
But you dont understand because your motives might not be fully straightforward  and  you  might be  afraid  that  your hidden motives might come to light.

I had wanted to suggest a comprehensive posting of our exchange, posting your views and mine in detail but you do not really understand what is at stake and have chickened  out.

My last response to you was a serious academic exercise, reinforced  with references, from both online sources and printed books in various disciplines. The quality of attention I lavished on it makes it comparable to a Platonic dialogue.

My other responses to you constitute a series of essays that span the history  of science from the Scientific Revolution of the 17th century to the present, also engaging with the philosophy of science. I had earlier posted them as parts of the threads where I responded to you but I will now post them as stand alone essays.

I have delayed publicly archiving my earlier responses to you  but I will make sure I do so today, so people can compare our views, and make up their minds about whether or not I misrepresented you on Soyinka, plus examine your intellectual limitations on the arts, science and technology.

I will distribute my views and yours widely online-Facebook, blogger, Scribd, academia. edu.

I operate this way because I take what I do online with the utmost seriousness.

You could find a similar strategy  useful in  your future endeavors.

Next time you want to start talking in  public about science  and technology because you have some exposure there, read my detailed my detailed  rebuttal to your narrow understanding of these fields, quoting the very scientists  and engineers you challenged  me to quote in support of my views.

Next time you want to comment on the arts, of which you know little, read my response to you on that subject.

Next time you want to comment on Boko Haram , making shallow comments that the goals of Boko Haram are not important to addressing their  madness,  read what I have written  on this  thread on the global pervasiveness  of Islamic terrorism  and the roots of Boko Haram in that problem.

When one of your celebrators declared that 'Abba is right again' in relation to the Minister of Education expressing an opinion that you both  interpreted as coinciding with yours, you declared that it appears the govt is heeding your opinions.

You want your ideas to travel  beyond these online fora and yet you are not ready to defend those ideas when vigorously challenged by a person ready to devote  up to a week examining them in detail so as to refute them, as I did.

You run away, claiming  righteous indignation because I refuse to agree that your words mean exactly what you claim, words uttered in public and therefore available to public analysis.

You cannot be  be serious.

 If your ideas are to travel  beyond these fora, as you declare you aspire to, should you not expect a variety of perspectives on those ideas?

The problem is that you are too fearful.

You have not made up your mind on what you stand for.

You cannot in one moment engage in public debate because you want your ideas to travel far and wide and then try to dismiss someone who is actually helping  you achieve your goal.

You are not bold enough to carry the weight of the endeavors you are heaping on yourself.

Get real, get serious  or keep quiet.

Defend yourself on Soyinka or keep quiet.

Defend yourself in public on your views expressed in public or remain in your bedroom and talk only among your family and friends who dont argue with you.

On your views that the stated and implicit goals and ideological and operational history  of Boko Haram are not relevant to addressing the threat  they represent-

How do you convince Islamic terrorists  that the Koran and Sharia  can not address all or even most human   problems?

How do you convince them that Islam and Sharia are products of an ancient age and need modernization?

Until you can convince them so, they are likely  to continue  to erupt in Northern Nigeria.

How do you convince those self understood defenders of interests of Northern Nigerian factions that the violence they wish on or have unleashed on Nigeria will only discredit  them and their region and religion in the long run?

Abba, your region is burning. Your religion  is discredited. Yet you pursue  rats along the floor.
You need to look again at your views on Soyinka as stated in our last exchange and other sources, since you say your views on Soyinka are well known, meaning you have expressed them in other contexts. You need to separate the following


1. Your views on Soyinka as a public commentator and actor in public affairs, particularly in politics, those views that lead you to describe him as a 'tribalist of the highest order'

2. Your views on Soyinka as an artist and his relevance to Nigeria in that context, those views that lead you to describe him as a storyteller whose art is of little relevance to modern nation building.
3. Your views on the arts in relation to science and technology, those views that lead you to declare the fact that you dont know of up to two Nobel Prize winners in literature indicates that those prizes do not really matter  because the arts and the sciences are not relevant in modern nation building unlike the centrality of science and technology.

4. The relationship of your views on arts vis a vis science and technology to realities and views of others over a broad geographical scope.
5. It would also be helpful to look into issues of implicit relationship between various aspects of what you write or speak, as between your comments on Soyinka as an artist, on the miniscule value of his Nobel Prize in Literature, the little value of the arts in nation building, comments made on the context of a thread addressing Soyinka's argument that Boko Haram is a child of Northern politicians and Northern Islamic fundamentalism. You did not directly address Soyinka's position on Boko Haram but you suggested that it has little value, on account of your dismissing him as a tribalist. Soyinka's  focus was on an ethnic region, so is it far fetched for readers  to conclude that you dismiss  Soyinka's  critical views in relation to a particular region, your region, the Northern region by describing him as a tribalist who rubbishing an ethnic group different from his own?

You would have served yourself better by critiquing Soyinka  on his argument hut you chose to work through implication, and I unraveled those implication.

The problem with your comment that began our debate was that you tried to correlate  these views, indirectly and at times directly.

thanks

toyin

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Abba abba2007@gmail.com via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 20 (1 day ago)
to me, edo-nationality, naijapolitics, NIgerianWorldF., nigerianid, Naijaobserver, afenmai
 

Toyin,
 
You got me to break my promise never to write to you by repeating another misrepresentation.  When did I ever say to you (or anyone else) that I want to ``influence Nigerian government policy by debating on internet fora"?  My interest is to share ideas with like-minded Nigerians (who uphold the highest standards of integrity, ethics and patriotism) with the hope of collectively making Nigeria forward.  I care not what the government does or does not do.  All I care about is how best to fix Nigeria. 
 
I know what contradiction means, Toyin.  My first year logic and set theory students can teach you about that. 
 
What you did was wrong, and you would do well to learn from that.  We teach our students to be ethical in everything they do.  When you write about someone, and you have the intention make such writing in places where that someone does not have access to, the ethical thing to do is to
(i) seek the person's permission and (ii) ask the person to read and approve what you are saying about them. 
 
I do not have any interest in engaging you in a negative way.  That's not my style.  I commended your initial writeups because you were respectful, ethical and detailed.  Your last few writeups have let a lot to be desired of.  As I teacher, I take it upon myself to try as much as possible to teach.  You offered a ``teachable moment", which I cannot, in true conscience, overlook.  Had you not done what you did, you and I would have had a great debate (and I am sure many would benefit from such). 
 
 I did not bother to read what you wrote below.  You do not know for a bit, hence have no capacity to judge what I am thinking or not thinking.  You drew conclusions that were wrong and used them as premise to draw bunch of other erroneous ones.  My suggestion to you is to learn to ask questions...and get the truth about anything you are writing about...before attributing things to others.    For instance, you do not my history vis-a-vis the Soyinka issue...you only rushed to judgement based on one or two emails you read (and read totally out of context).  You could have saved yourself all these by simply asking questions.  In anycase, my point is simply that it is terribly unethical for anyone to write and circulate stuff, based on clear misrepresentations and false premises against others, in places where the person being misrepresented does not have the opportunity to defend him/herself.  You may choose to learn from this or keep to your ways.  I have chosen never to interact with people who are challenged in the ethics department. 
Abba

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OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 20 (1 day ago)
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Abba,

When you first objected to my restating and redistributing  your views on Soyinka, you simply objected and gave your reasons. You urged me to correct the wrong impression of your views you described me as giving, particularly since I had distributed my essay widely online.

In that post, I simply summarized your views very   briefly.

In my response to you, I then quoted you in full before critiquing you.

Then you refused to respond further, claiming righteous indignation.

Why did you respond to the first critique that did not quote you, thereby not giving a chance for readers  to read you directly,  and not to the second one that quoted you?

Because you see the uphill task it will take you to meet the challenge of the analysis of your words?

Also, since you like to argue on online fora, you seem to need some education about the Internet.

You are in a public space. This space is more public than being out on the street. Anything you say here is louder and escapes faster  than shouting on the street. No one is obliged to refer back to you before repeating what you have stated ion the public street of cyber space. So, get real.

If you choose to run away   anytime I show up to tear your shallow views apart, you will have nowhere to hide on Nigerian fora. So, that option might be available to you unless you admit your cowardice to  yourself and leave the space to those who are serious.

Now, I am about to bring up the mail where you described your dreams of being a public intellectual who wants to influence govt policy  by debating  on online  fora since members of govt or those who  have their  ears are on such fora.

Next time, like on Soyinka, you will learn to be careful when you communicate in public.

toyin

You dont get it.

You dont seem to know where you are.

You need an education in public communication.
As for your denial of your claim of wanting to influence govt policy, I will post the relevant emails in the next one hour at most.
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OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 20 (1 day ago)
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I KNEW I WOULD FIND IT.

Here are Abba's  declarations about his aspiration to

INFLUENCE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT POLICY BY TAKING PART IN ONLINE DEBATES ON THESE FORA.

The standard sly response from Abba is to  pretend not to have noticed when he has been caught out in his game.

According to Leye Ige "His arguments are  shallow. It is quite  possible to mock without exhibiting shallowness of thought.  He usually "withdraws" when cornered, especially when he goes on about not disparaging others like Wole Soyinka and Prof Awojobi; which he does." ( Source : Nigerian World Forum Message #185347 on the thread  "Ethnic envy and IDIOTIC TIRADE AGAINST WOLE SOYINKA.")

In his effort to discredit Soyinka by discrediting the arts, I proved him wrong by a survey of the history of science but he pretended not to notice.

He stated that I could not prove my assertions about his efforts to dismiss Soyinka on account of Soyinka's linking of Boko Haram to  endemic Northern Nigerian Islamic extremism and the desperation of some Northern politicians. I proved it through a painstaking analysis  of his words, quoting him verbatim and analysing  his words line by line. He then  claimed offense that I misrepresented him, and so he  would not  engage my meticulous analysis of his words.

He has now shouted to all that he never stated he wants to influence Nigerian government policy by debating in online fora, describing me as dishonest for stating that.

I now display  his words stating exactly that, from two different emails and give links to those mails on the website of the Nigerian World Forum.

We are dealing here with a person pursuing an agenda of the more shallow kinds of pro-Northern agitation. He represents a generation that has misled Northern Nigeria for decades and his dangerous views must be vigorously countered

Northern Nigerian youth are beginning to realise that they have been shortchanged by people like Abba and those youth need to be assisted to break off the yoke foisted on them by the Abba faction, who are dedicated to a   pursuit of a spurious pro-Northern agenda, while steadily   avoiding Northern Nigeria's genuine problems.

In that spirit, Abba wants Nigerians to forget the Boko Haram is a child of Islamic extremism endemic in Northern Nigeria as well as being a manifestation of the aspirations of desperate Northern Nigerian politicians, since the escalation of the group's terror campaign  followed  their declaration of violence on Nigeria. That circumstantial evidence is enough for these Northern politicians  to be prosecuted in a court of law. Instead, we have Northern Nigeria about to be offered 13 percent derivation on the basis of Boko Haram terror after Sanusi uncritically links Boko Haram and revenue derivation, failing to address the social structure of Northern Nigeria and the monumental greed of its elites that are  designed in a way that militate against development in terms of a modern society.

Boko Haram therefore becomes a representative of the Northern Nigerian political establishment by default beceause it is being positioned as responding to the region's genuine grievances, when in fact, no amount of money will resolve problems emerging from the elite keeping the region in a feudal mindset,  fueled by religious bigotry.

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SEE  PARAGRAPH THREE, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLACK BY ME


from:  Abba abba2007@gmail.com via yahoogroups.com 
reply-to: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com
to: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com
cc: Dandalin Siyasa <dandalin-siyasa@yahoogroups.com>,
 naijapolitics <NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com>,
 Nigerian Observer group <naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com>,
 Ra'ayi Riga <raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>


Kunle,
 
I do not, and can never,see the connection between arts and science.  Like I said before (thanks Joe), just look around you:  the spoons, the TV, the cellphone, the car, the laptop etc.  Art has absolutely zero role
in the invention of these gadgets.  I do science every day.  Not once has ``arts" being relevant in what I do. 
 
Kunle:  modern nations are built based on one thing and one thing only:  advances in science and technology.
 
I am taking time to relentlessly partake in this discussion because I know a number of people with the ears of the President (including some Ministers) are on this list.  It is
extremely important that those in the pro-arts vanguard do not confuse our already very confused Commander-in-Chief into diminishing the singular role of science and technology
in transforming Nigeria.  What has Soyinka's story-telling and plays got to do with national development?  Tell me, Kunle.
 
Arts has its roles in society.  Building the much-needed knowledge-based economy rooted in excellence in science and technology is NOT (and can never be) one of them.
 
Abba

To verify the existence of this mail from Abba
on the sites of the relevant groups, see the following link:

Nigerian World Forum  Message #185459.





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from: Abba abba2007@gmail.com via returns.groups.yahoo.com 
reply-to: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com
to: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com
date: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:58 AM
subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] ABBA VINDICATED AGAIN: No Progress Without Sound Mathematics – Minister
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Dear Muhammad,
 
I am glad the Minister is listening to our words of wisdom. This is a right step in the right direction.
 
Abba

To verify the existence of this mail from Abba
on the sites of the relevant groups, see the following link:

  Nigerian World Forum :  Message #187865


Abba was responding to the post

[NIgerianWorldForum] ABBA VINDICATED AGAIN: No Progress Without Sound Mathematics – Minister

by

from: Muhammad muhd. muhd.muhammad@yahoo.com
reply-to: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com
to: "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>
date: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:52 AM
subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] ABBA VINDICATED AGAIN: No Progress Without Sound Mathematics – Minister

Sun, 04/03/2012 - 2:50am | KUNI TYESSI

The Minister of Education, Professor Ruqayyatu Rufai yesterday said there can be no progress without sound education in mathematics and the sciences while declaring the readiness of the Federal government to support unwaveringly, any effort aimed at enhancing the performance of students in Mathematics and the revamping of the teaching and learning of the subject at all levels of the educational strata in Nigeria.

....

Source : Nigerian World Forum Message #187862


3. Response of Valentine Ojo highlighting the implications of Abba's claim that the Minister of Education is 'listening to his words of wisdom'

from: Valentine Ojo elewuoye@gmail.com via returns.groups.yahoo.com 
reply-to: nigeria360@yahoogroups.com
to: Yan Arewa <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>

bcc: nigeria360@yahoogroups.com
date: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM
subject:  [Nigeria360::Live] RE: ABBA VINDICATED AGAIN: No Progress Without Sound Mathematics – Minister






........



'Abba Gumel, the Minister - being an Hausa like you - is not only "listening to your words of wisdom", she reads EVERYTHING that you post on these forums

That is where she gets her idea how to run her ministry!

And once we succeed in "the revamping of the teaching and learning of the subject [Maths] at all levels of the educational strata in Nigeria", Nigeria will begin to see signs of 'National Development'!

Let us now wait and see how Abba Gumel and "the Minister of Education, Professor Ruqayyatu Rufai" will use "the revamping of the teaching and learning of the subject [Maths] at all levels of the educational strata in Nigeria" to "develop" Northern Nigeria to catch up with the rest of Nigeria!!'


Source : Nigerian World Forum : Message #187948

Thanks.

Toyin

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Abba <abba2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Toyin:
 
This is my last response to you...and is meant to correct one more misrepresentation.
 
No one is afraid of anyone or anything.  I do not know whether they are teaching you ethics at the institution you are studying at, but it is unethical for anyone to do the sort of thing you did (misrepresenting someone and widely circulating such misrepresentations...to lists where the person you misrepresented does not have the chance to defend him/herself).
 
I usually do not say this, but it is clear that you are not in my league. The people who teach you probably are.   It was a mistake engaging you in the first place (you did entice me with your good manners at the beginning, but it is clear now what your true colours are). 
 
Abba

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OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 20 (1 day ago)
to Abba, NIGERIAN
 
Abba,

You are confused.

You declared earlier that you want to influence Nigerian government policy by debating on Internet fora and you are now complaining  that you are misrepresented on fora where you cannot defend yourself.

Is that not a contradiction?

By your own declaration, you are not in govt.

If your views travel to the corridors of govt as you stated you aspire to, will you be there to defend those views, particularly if they  are not presented in ways that make you comfortable?

Can you guarantee that your views will be seen in  exactly the ways that will make you happy?

In debating with you, I began by

 QUOTING  YOU ACCURATELY, VERBATIM, WORD FOR WORD,

 before proceeding to

ANALYSE YOUR WORDS, LINE BY LINE.
A person who wants his ideas to travel beyond the limited space they are expressed should be honoured by that level of attention.

Since you wanted your ideas to travel far and wide, even to the attention of the govt, what better way to achieve that goal  than through a critic who distributes them them far and wide?

I have done you a favour.

You ought to thank me for giving you such exposure in the first place. Seriously speaking.

But you dont understand becesuase your motives might not be fully straightforward  and  you  might be  afraid  that  your hidden motives might come to light.

I had wanted to suggest a comprehensive posting of our exchange, posting your views and mine in detail but you do not really understand what is at stake and have chickened  out.

My last response to you was a serious academic exercise, reinforced  with references, from both online sources and printed books in various disciplines. The quality of attention I lavished on it makes it comparable to a Platonic dialogue.

My other responses to you constitute a series of essays that span the history  of science from the Scientific Revolution of the 17th century to the present, also engaging with the philosophy of science. I had earlier posted them as parts of the threads where I responded to you but I will now post them as stand alone essays.

I have delayed publicly archiving my earlier responses to you  but I will make sure I do so today, so people can compare our views, and make up their minds about whether or not I misrepresented you on Soyinka, plus examine your intellectual limitations on the arts, science and technology.

I will distribute my views and yours widely online-Facebook, blogger, Scribd, academia. edu.

I operate this way because I take what I do online with the utmost seriousness.

You could find a similar strategy  useful in  your future endeavors.

Next time you want to start talking in  public about science  and technology because you have some exposure there, read my detailed my detailed  rebuttal to your narrow understanding of these fields, quoting the very scientists  and engineers you challenged  me to quote in support of my views.

Next time you want to comment on the arts, of which you know little, read my response to you on that subject.

Next time you want to comment on Boko Haram , making shallow comments that the goals of Boko Haram are not important to addressing their  madness,  read what I have written  on this  thread on the global pervasiveness  of Islamic terrorism  and the roots of Boko Haram in that problem.

When one of your celebrators declared that 'Abba is right again' in relation to the Minister of Education expressing an opinion that you both  interpreted as coinciding with yours, you declared that it appears the govt is heeding your opinions.

You want your ideas to travel  beyond these online fora and yet you are not ready to defend those ideas when vigorously challenged by a person ready to devote  up to a week examining them in detail so as to refute them, as I did.

You run away, claiming  righteous indignation because I refuse to agree that your words mean exactly what you claim, words uttered in public and therefore available to public analysis.

You cannot be  be serious.

 If your ideas are to travel  beyond these fora, as you declare you aspire to, should you not expect a variety of perspectives on those ideas?

The problem is that you are too fearful.

You have not made up your mind on what you stand for.

You cannot in one moment engage in public debate because you want your ideas to travel far and wide and then try to dismiss someone who is actually helping  you achieve your goal.

You are not bold enough to carry the weight of the endeavors you are heaping on yourself.

Get real, get serious  or keep quiet.

Defend yourself on Soyinka or keep quiet.

Defend yourself in public on your views expressed in public or remain in your bedroom and talk only among your family and friends who dont argue with you.

On your views that the stated and implicit goals and ideological and operational history  of Boko Haram are not relevant to addressing the threat  they represent-

How do you convince Islamic terrorists  that the Koran and Sharia  can not address all or even most human   problems?

How do you convince them that Islam and Sharia are products of an ancient age and need modernization?

Until you can convince them so, they are likely  to continue  to erupt in Northern Nigeria.

How do you convince those self understood defenders of interests of Northern Nigerian factions that the violence they wish on or have unleashed on Nigeria will only discredit  them and their region and religion in the long run?

Abba, your region is burning. Your religion  is discredited. Yet you pursue  rats along the floor.

Toyin



I will try to help you on that.

You need to look again at your views on Soyinka as stated in that exchange and othyer sources, since you say your views on Soyinka are well known, meaning you have expressed them in other contexts. You need to sepraste the following

1. Your views on Soyinka as a public commentator and actor in public affairs, particularly in politics, those views that lead you to describe him as a 'tribalist of the highest order'
2. Your views on Soyinka as an artist and his relevance to Nigeria in that context, those views that lead you to describe him as a storyteller whose art is of little relevance to modern nation building.
3. Your views on the arts in relation to science and technology, those views that lead you to declare the fact that you dont know of up to two Nobel Prize winnerts in literature indiucates that tyhose pruzes do not really matter  beceause the arts and the sciences are not relevant in modern nation bvuilding unlike the centrality of science and tecxh nology.
4. The relationship of your views on arts vis a vis science and technology to realities and views of others over a broad geographical scope.
5. It would also be helpful to lok into issues of implict relationship between varius aspects of what you write or speak, as between your comments on Sopyinka as an attist, on the miniscule value of his Nobel Prtize in Liotetature, the littkle value of the arts in nmatuional building, coments made on the context of a thread afessing Sotuinka's argument that Boko Haram is a child of Noprthern ploticians and Northern Islamic fundametalism. You did not directly adress Soyinka's poisition on Boko Haram but you suggested that it has little bval;ue, on account of your dismissing hiom as a trbliost. Sotyinkas focus was onm an etnioc rerfgion, so is it far fecxtyed for rexewrs tio conckude that you duisnissing Soyinas crical views in rel;ation to a particular region, your rergion, the Nothern region?

You wpuld have srved yoyrself better by criquiung Soyinka gead on o hios asrguyment hut you chose top work thtough implication, and I unravelled tose im,p;licvatyons. Reneer, I told the respodent who desryvbed you sa smal  oded amd hypocrtyical that he should not inult you and that i will adfrss you on Soyinka in good time.


The problem with your coment that began ouyr debate was that you tried to collreate these virews, indirectky and at times directly.

9. On 20 March 2012 06:24, Abba <abba2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Stevek,

I made a mistake by actually engaging someone I thought was refined.  It later emerged that I was totally wrong, and his true uncultured culture emerged.
He claims I said my ``dream" was to ``influence public policy" by my ``internet dabates" on ``these fora".  No one on earth can find a statement from me to that effect.  The statements saying ``we do not want an already confused President to be further confused" and saluting a Minister for ``listening to our words of wisdom" do not, in any way, constitute a ``dream to influence public policy" in/on any issue.  If my ``dream" or aimis to influence public policy, I will say so emphatically.  This is the sort of mischaracterizition, misrepresentation and misinterpretation some (mostly inconsequential) folks around here use in their desperation to score points on others.  Men and women of integrity and conscience do not stoop that low.  If I accused anyone of saying something that I quote clearly, I will provide a direct and clear quote that matches what I said verbatim.  This is what we (as scientists) are trained to do.  It is really sad to see the younger ones (those in grad schools) demonstrating this level of lack of ethics and integrity.  Nigeria's problems are far more profound than some of us actually imagined. 

   
Abba




10. From: Abba [mailto:abba2007@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:54 AM
To: AVATAR
Cc: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com; Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID); Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID); edo-nationality@yahoogroups.com; naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com; nigerianid@yahoogroups.com; Naijaobserver; afenmai@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: [edo-nationality] RE: Setback In Peace Talks With Boko Haram - Dr Ibrahim Datti Ahmad backs out

Stevek,

I forgot to add that I absolutely never, for one second, consider Soyinka's achievement as anything to write home about (with all due respect to him) or consider him to be any better (or even as good) as myself professionally. We work in different areas.  While he makes a living telling stories and writing plays, I make my living expousing the virtue of a monumentally-important subject over 90% of the world's population are scared to even attempt to study it...talkless of making a career out of it (so, there is even no basis for comparison).  Most of the noisemakers and inconsequential elements around here studied things (if at all) that are irrelevant...and yet they feel qualified to abuse and disrespect people of real quality and stature.

Abba 

11. On 20 March 2012 10:42, Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jbi8@cdc.gov> wrote:
But why is Wole Soyinka an issue in this matter. We all lay claim to the Nobel Laureate and his Nobel achievement do us PROUD. We cant trivialize it because of internal regional debates. It is WRONG! Besides, irrespective of our own professional biases, we have to take the higher road in evaluating Academic achievement. To me, academic achievement in any field is meritorious! Shikiena!! Take care. JUI
12.
Abba abba2007@gmail.com via yahoogroups.com 
4:25 PM (20 hours ago)
to Joseph, AVATAR, NIgerianWorldF., edo-nationality, naijapolitics, nigerianid, Naijaobserver, afenmai
 

Joe,
 
True that ``acdemic achievement in any field is meritorious".  No one (except, perhaps, in Nigeria gets any academic recognition unless he/she merits it).  Nonetheless, academic achievements in certains fields are far more respectable than in others.  I will salute anyone who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine, Chemistry of Physics far higher (anyday) than one who won the equivalent in literature.  Both deserve some applause...but I will reserve my highest decibel crescendo for those who won in areas that truly matter in grand scheme of things.
 
Abba

13.

Abba abba2007@gmail.com via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 19 (2 days ago)
to Joseph, NIgerianWorldF., me, edo-nationality, naijapolitics, nigerianid, Naijaobserver, afenmai
 

Joe,
 
I am not sure I understand what you meant by your first sentence.  Toyin misrepresented me (during our debate re Soyinka) and advertised such misrepresentations to wider lists (wider than the original mailing lists).  What's your problem here? 
 
In anycase, I didn't bother to seriously read what Toyin wrote...I schemed through it to ensure that it had nothing to do with me (and lo and behold he had my name all over the place). People like him I do not interact with (I interact only with people whose integrity and sense of ethics I respect). 
 
Abba

14. 
Abba abba2007@gmail.com via yahoogroups.com 
Mar 20 (1 day ago)
to AVATAR, NIgerianWorldF., Joseph, Joseph, edo-nationality, naijapolitics, nigerianid, Naijaobserver, afenmai
 

Dear Stevek,
 
I made a mistake by actually engaging someone I thought was refined.  It later emerged that I was totally wrong, and his true uncultured culture emerged.
He claims I said my ``dream" was to ``influence public policy" by my ``internet dabates" on ``these fora".  No one on earth can find a statement from me to that effect.  The statements saying ``we do not want an already confused President to be further confused" and saluting a Minister for ``listening to our words of wisdom" do not, in any way, constitute a ``dream to influence public policy" in/on any issue.  If my ``dream" or aimis to influence public policy, I will say so emphatically.  This is the sort of mischaracterizition, misrepresentation and misinterpretation some (mostly inconsequential) folks around here use in their desperation to score points on others.  Men and women of integrity and conscience do not stoop that low.  If I accused anyone of saying something that I quote clearly, I will provide a direct and clear quote that matches what I said verbatim.  This is what we (as scientists) are trained to do.  It is really sad to see the younger ones (those in grad schools) demonstrating this level of lack of ethics and integrity.  Nigeria's problems are far more profound than some of us actually imagined. 
 
   
Abba

15. 
OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU via yahoogroups.com 
6:54 PM (18 hours ago)
to NIgerianWorldF., AVATAR, Joseph, Joseph, edo-nationality, naijapolitics, nigerianid, Naijaobserver, afenmai
 


                                                                                                  ABBA GUMEL'S DISHONEST ATTITUDE TO DEBATING

Abba's  attitude to being defeated in debate is dishonest. Anytime he is pushed into a corner he  tries  to change the rules.

He  declared that I cant prove my arguments about his  attitude to Soyinka. I took time to prove your argument, then he  insists  that he  wont comment further because he has been  misrepresented and is unhappy that I posted his words and my analysis of them in places where he cant defend himself.

I respond that I am actually helping him spread his ideas since he had earlier stated that he wants top influence the govt through online debate. He denies he ever stated that. He again makes much song and dance about being misrepresented.

I produce the emails where he  stated exactly that and then he says no, you did not mean that when his words clearly state otherwise.

He declares-

'If I accused anyone of saying something that I quote clearly, I will provide a direct and clear quote that matches what I said verbatim.'

Since he is pretending that I did not quite him verbatim, I reproduce the relevant quotes from his emails in the post below. I will also make sure I blog this debate to avoid a persomn wating to deny in broad dayl;ight what they stated in public.

He  then tries to describe me as maligning him when I simply work on the logic of his  own words.

Therefore, I describe him  as dishonest.

He  needs help.

He has a personality problem.


On Abba Struggling to Deny His Own Words

Abba stated:


"I am taking time to relentlessly partake in this discussion because I know a number of people with the ears of the President (including some Ministers) are on this list.  It is
extremely important that those in the pro-arts vanguard do not confuse our already very confused Commander-in-Chief into diminishing the singular role of science and technology
in transforming Nigeria.  What has Soyinka's story-telling and plays got to do with national development?  Tell me, Kunle."

If you dont want your statements to influence those " people with the ears of the President (including some Ministers) ... on this list' then why state the following:

"I am taking time to relentlessly partake in this discussion because I know a number of people with the ears of the President (including some Ministers) are on this list."
What are these 'people with the ears of the President (including some Ministers)' to do with your words? To take them to their domestic kitchens and cook soup with them? 

Or to take them to the kitchen of ideas of the government and use them?

If you dont want such " people with the ears of the President (including some Ministers) are on this list' to use your ideas, then why do you state, in response to the thread

'Abba Vindicated Again-No Progress Without Sound Mathematics-Minister [of Education]. '

that


"I am glad the Minister is listening to our words of wisdom. This is a right step in the right direction."
Clearly, Abba, you need a course in those very arts you so despise.

You need a course in how to interpret yourself to the world. The course is called rhetoric, semiotics, linguistics-semantics,. discourse analysis. A first year student in languages would not try to deny the facts of their own words like you are struggling to do.

As I stated, Abba, you need to define who you really are to yourself and the world.

I would have advised what to do in all sincerity because it is as clear to me as daylight but you have chosen to alienate me so I will let you go your way.

What we observe in your self contradiction here is a confusion of self image. Such issues are dealt with in psychology and philosophy. Some guidance in these areas would benefit you so you dont come here and generate self denying claims.

Your attitude to being defeated is dishonest. Anytime you are pushed into a corner you try to change the rules.
You declared that I cant prove my arguments about your attitude to Soyinka. I took time to prove your argument, then you argued that you wont conment further beceause you are misreprrsentredf.
You declared that you never stated you want to influence govt policy through online debate, making much song and dance about your new claim that I was misrepresenting you on that.
I produce the emails where you stated exactly that and then you say no, you did not mean that when your words clearly state otherwise.
You then go and try to describe me as maligning you when I simply work on the logic of your own words.
Therefore, I describe you as dishonest.
You need help.

thanks

toyin